Hypnotist -
Okay, I’ll just put some music on. Okay Matt, just take a nice deep breath. Just concentrate on your breathing for a few moments, make sure you’re nice and comfortable, and as last time the first thing to do is relax your body. Just be aware of the tension that you hold in your body and very quickly your subconscious mind will remember all of the responses that it needs to do to make your body relax very quickly now as you hear the words calm and relaxed, calm and relaxed, you’ll start to drift once more in to this wonderful relaxing feeling. You can use your awareness now to scan your body just to see where you’re holding tension and just breath it away and as your breathing helps you to relax more, you’ll be able to concentrate only on my voice be aware of the gentle relaxing music in the background and you’ll be able to start to drift deeper and deeper in to this wonderful relaxing feeling. And as your body relaxes more, its only the couch that supports you as your body takes a rest and your conscious mind takes a rest, and your subconscious mind now becomes active as you become more and more calm and relaxed. I want you to use your imagination now, I want you to use your imagination and find yourself in that beautiful garden again on that warm summers day, that peaceful tranquil place full of serenity, full of peace and calm, its a beautiful place to be and it’s a symbolic representation of the inner person, of the inner you. Just enjoy the sights the sounds using all your five senses as you stroll through this garden and feel more and more relaxed all the time. As you stroll through the garden now I want you to come across those steps, the ten steps which lead you down to the lower level and to a deeper level of consciousness, I want you to make your way down the steps now, ten, nine, eight, seven, six, drifting deeper and deeper now with each step you take, five, four, three, two, one and on to the lower pathway. You can be aware now that the chair over to one side, that comfortable reclining chair that you can come back to any time you get lost or confused, you can return to this chair to find your way back but for now we needn’t visit the chair, we can continue on down past the chair down a pathway and as we stroll down this pathway, we come across this high wall on one side of the pathway with all those doors a familiar place to explore now, The nearest door being two thousand and three now, and as you walk down the path now past all the doors, we can go past the nineteen nineties, go past the nineteen eighties, and in to the seventies now ever onward past all these doors, way back in time, past nineteen sixty eight, the year you were born in this life, ever onward, way back in time way back down through the nineteen hundreds now and in to the eighteen hundreds. We know which door we’re looking for, your subconscious will show you. I want you to look for a door around about eighteen fifty, around about eighteen fifty, and i want you to look for the character James once more, your subconscious will show you the most important time to explore so you can understand the character, just look for a door now around about eighteen fifty, it can be a year either side or even further back in time, your subconscious will know you which door is best to show you now, tell my when you’ve found a door.

Matt -
Eighteen forty eight

Hypnotist -
Well done that’s great. Okay before you enter the door, just describe it to me so that you can practice on your visualisation.

Matt -
It’s a wooden door with vertical planks of wood, with metal hinges.

Hypnotist -
Okay that’ll do fine well done. I want you to step through the door now, closing it behind you, knowing that it’s always there should you wish to return to the pathway. As you stand there, all the images around you will start to form as you explore this part of this life. First of all, if I ask questions, always remember that the answers should just spring in to your thoughts. Can you once more confirm your name please.

Matt -
James Smyth.

Hypnotist -
Okay James, tell me where you are, tell me what’s happening.

Matt -
I’m on a path I think.

Hypnotist -
Okay, as the images start to grow stronger and stronger now, you can give me a running commentary of exactly what’s happening and what you’re doing. Just be there in that body now, just be James Smyth, as if everything that’s happening to you is happening now, and you can tell me what’s happening now.

Matt -
I’m just walking...with grass either side, just swinging my arms, I feel happy, it’s a nice day

Hypnotist -
Where are you going?

Matt -
Just walking. Looking up in to the sky, I feel happy...just like to run, skip...turning around to walk backwards, forwards again.

Hypnotist -
What can you see around you?

Matt -
Fields and trees

Hypnotist -
Is this near where you live?

Matt -
I’m not sure.

Hypnotist -
is there anyone with you?

Matt -
No I’m on my own, I just feel so happy, just walking along this lane...ploughed fields

Hypnotist -
Okay just move forward in time now till you get to the end of the pathway, end of your destination to where ever you’re going. So new images form now as you reach that point, tell me what happens.

Matt -
Standing with my hands on my hips...looking out to sea...just looking over beyond, not down, along the coast line...make my way away from the cliff...I see yellow flowers...

Hypnotist -
Are you at the furthest point on your journey away from your home at the moment, on your walk, or are you returning to home now. You’ll be aware of the right answer to this.

Matt -
I’m not sure

Hypnotist -
Have a look around behind you, see if there’s buildings there or if you’re out in the wilderness.

Matt -
I’m out in the middle of nowhere.

Hypnotist -
How far are you from home?

Matt -
Five miles

Hypnotist -
And what’s the name of your home, wher...where do you live, is it in a village?, a town? Or in the countryside, where do you live? Allow thoughts and answers to just spring in to your thoughts.

Matt -
I don’t know, Trus... Tra something

Hypnotist -
Okay, tell me why you feel so happy?

Matt -
Just happy on my own, it’s nice to be...feel free, in open space, no one around.

Hypnotist -
Do you prefer your own company to that of others?

Matt -
Yeah, I like to be alone...I feel happier, I feel like there’s no weight on my shoulders...just put my arms in to the air, I feel free...lying down in the grass, taking deep breaths...the air feels clean and fresh...I smell flowers, I feel completely absorbed by the ground...just chewing grass...just nice to feel the grass around me...see birds in the sky...just so relaxing, it feels like a day off

Hypnotist -
A day off from what?

Matt -
From working

Hypnotist -
How old are you?

Matt -
Fourteen

Hypnotist -
And where do you work?

Matt -
With a horse...pull a horse and cart

Hypnotist -
Okay, just relax now take a deep breath, you’ll bring these images back with you but we’ll leave them for now, let all those images fade, I want to find a contrast to this, I want to find you at a time when you’re at work either forward or backwards in time, I want the images to form now when you’re at work pulling this horse and cart, I want you to feel the different vibrations, the different energies, different feelings within you when you’re working. Tell what happens now.

Matt -
It’s raining, it’s wet, I'm in the open..pulling a horse...he’s stubborn...its a brown horse with a white fringe...I’m on a street...with houses overlooking the street...I feel wet...

Hypnotist -
Is the cart all hitched up to the horse at the moment?

Matt -
Yeah

Hypnotist -
What’s in the cart?

Matt -
Hay, it’s getting wet

Hypnotist -
And where have you come from with your horse?

Matt -
From home

Hypnotist -
So do you live on a farm?

Matt -
No

Hypnotist -
What sort of home it is where you need to pull hay on a cart, tell me all about your home.

Matt -
I live in a building in a...in a town

Hypnotist -
So what’s the hay for?

Matt -
For feeding horses

Hypnotist -
Okay carry on your journey now, I want you to come to the destination that you’re taking this horse to, just let yourself move forward in time.

Matt -
Its a big house...with metal gates, railings...railings on top of a brick..brick wall...with lamp above the gate way...gravel or something

Hypnotist -
What’s the name of the house?

Matt -
Treen or Tren house or something

Hypnotist -
Okay, is this where you work

Matt -
No I’m delivering hay

Hypnotist -
I see.

Matt -
To the stables at the house...at the back...there’s lots of horses

Hypnotist -
What sort of horses, what are they used for?

Matt -
Race Horses...just delivering hay

Hypnotist -
Is there anyone else there

Matt -
No it’s empty...it’s deserted...cobbles...I don’t want to just drop the hay off... there’s no one there, no one to receive it

Hypnotist -
So what do you do?

Matt -
Leave

Hypnotist -
How do you feel when you’re working?

Matt -
Just feel numb...just feel like my heads bowed...in the rain as I’m leading this horse...just looking at the ground...massive puddles...just looking around at the house...its a big house...symmetrical, with lots of windows...just leaving it behind...I feel envious

Hypnotist -
Okay I want you to let those images fade once more, and I want you to find a time now, near to this time when you interact with others, be it family or people you work with, just find a time, allow your subconscious to show you a significant time when you interact with others. A time which will have a message for you an understanding for you, and tell me what happens now.

Matt -
I can’t see any people.

Hypnotist -
Where do you find yourself?

Matt -
In a square

Hypnotist -
Describe that to me then, look around.

Matt -
surround... building... surrounding...there’s a fountain in the middle...stone...cobbled...houses with railings

Hypnotist -
Is this your home town

Matt -
No

Hypnotist -
Where is this then?

Matt -
Hals...

Hypnotist -
Say that again

Matt -
Hal something

Hypnotist -
Just relax and just allow a name to spill in to your thoughts, just accept it, the name of the town whose square you’re standing in, let it come in to your thoughts now

Matt -
Halliday

Hypnotist -
Okay whereabouts is this town? Can you give me a county? What do you feel you want to say?

Matt -
I don’t know

Hypnotist -
Just relax and allow your subconscious, I’m asking Matt’s subconscious now in the life of James to give us the name of the county that this town is in, just allow it to come in to your thoughts now, just allow a word to form, keep relaxed and let your subconscious do the work, what comes in to your thoughts?

Matt -
Tradeager...Tra

Hypnotist -
What country is this?

Matt -
Wales

Hypnotist -
Okay, North or South?

Matt -
South

Hypnotist -
Central South, South East or South West?

Matt -
South West

Hypnotist -
Okay, just describe what’s happening in the square, what are you doing here?

Matt -
I’m on a mission

Hypnotist -
You’ve chosen a different time, how old are you here?

Matt -
Eighteen

Hypnotist -
Okay. So what are you doing here then, what’s, what’s the mission?

Matt -
I’m on a trip

Hypnotist -
Okay, tell me all about it

Matt -
I walked...took a long time...need to find work...counting the money in my pocket...brown trousers...checked shirt...not much left...I need bread...in to a bakery...small windows...big windows with small pains of glass...I’ve walked in the shop and a bell rings...there’s a woman behind the counter...

Hypnotist -
Be aware of all your other senses as well as your vision, smells and sounds

Matt -
I smell bread...my feet shuffling on the ground...the woman's got a...she's a big lady, smiling...some sort of cloth cap a white cap a um hat...dark clothes...a counter with bread...she's giving me bread, I’m buying it

Hypnotist -
Be aware of the conversation now that you have

Matt -
Nice day...how are you feeling?...fine...where have you come from?...no answer...

Hypnotist -
Why don’t you answer?

Matt -
I don’t know the answer...I bid you farewell...left the shop, a fountain in front of me..eating bread...can hear the clopping of horses hooves...black carriage...shiny black carriage...now windows...big wheels..its splashed me with water...shouting...

Hypnotist -
Shouting what?

Matt -
You bastard...

Hypnotist -
Why, what have you done to upset them?

Matt -
He’s a bastard

Hypnotist -
Oh you shout at him. Do they respond

Matt -
No...drive off..someone eggs their horse on, shouts yahh get on... cracks the whip...my trousers are wet...breeches...socks are soaking...I’m angry...walk off down the road....away from the square...its a long hill down...railings on the side...shops and houses, it’s a big city...the street goes on for miles

Hypnotist -
Are you aware of where your going or are you just looking for anything?

Matt -
Just looking for anything...just wandering round, looking in shop windows

Hypnotist -
What do you see in these windows?

Matt -
Looking for work, looking for cards, advertising

Hypnotist -
And do you find work today?

Matt -
No

Hypnotist -
Okay, where are you going to stay tonight?

Matt -
I don’t know...stay in the cold

Hypnotist -
Okay just let those images fade now and move forward in time once more, to another significant time, perhaps when you find work or you meet up with somebody important. Just let the images form now, something significant now, just forward a few days or whatever it may be, let the images form now and tell me what’s happening.

Matt -
Blank

Hypnotist -
What sort of black, a dark black?

Matt -
Blank

Hypnotist -
Okay

Matt -
I can’t see anything

Hypnotist -
Can you not see because it’s night time?

Matt -
Yeah, dark

Hypnotist -
Okay. Where do you think you are, where do you feel you are, outside or inside?

Matt -
Outside...cold...shivering...hunched up in a doorway...on a step...I’m sad...why am I here?...I give up...I’m going home...I want to go where its sunny, where it’s not raining...walking with my hands in my pockets...wanna leave this place behind...kick a stone...someone shouts oy...aaaah...none of your business...don’t like this city...its the capital

Hypnotist -
So you know it’s name now

Matt -
It’s Cardiff...capital

Hypnotist -
Okay.

Matt -
Street lamps...its day time...I’m running...jumping...happy to leave...

Hypnotist -
How far to home

Matt -
Fifty miles

Hypnotist -
And how will you make your journey?

Matt -
Walk

Hypnotist -
How long do you expect to take?

Matt -
a long time...leaving the city behind......a long walk...I don’t know where I am...I feel lost but happy

Hypnotist -
Okay I just want you to let those memories fade again once more, let all the images fade, just take a deep breath and relax. I want you to visit one more area of this life now, the time when you first met the lady we identified as Esme, with the red hair in the pub, the first time you meet her, just let the images form now, your subconscious will show you this time

Matt -
It’s a summers day...she’s smiling...a lop sided smile...who are you?...Esme Treloar...what are you doing so far from home?...just walking...mind if I join you?...lets walk together

Hypnotist -
How old is she?

Matt -
Twenty Nine

Hypnotist -
And where did you meet, where is this place that you’re in that you’ve met...out walking?

Matt -
I don’t know

Hypnotist -
Okay, walk with this lady and tell me how you feel in her company

Matt -
Shy...but happy...she’s a lot older than me...I feel coy...I think she’s lovely...looking up to her...just want to talk...

Hypnotist -
What’s happening?

Matt -
Quiet...just sitting...talking...she understands me...she knows what it's like to feel happy alone...she likes the space to be alone...I don’t want to be alone if she’s there...she makes me feel like I’m alone...I’m happy on my own...she makes it okay to be alone...happy when she’s there

Hypnotist -
Okay I’m afraid we’ll have to leave there, again let the images all fade now, and as they do just allow one more word to come in to your thoughts, the area that you live in, where you meet this woman, what’s it called? Where do you live James?

Matt -
Swansea

Hypnotist -
Okay I want you to be aware of the door behind you that you used to come in visit this life as James. Turn and face it now, just open the door and step back on to the pathway, closing the door tightly behind you, but bring back with you all the memories and feelings that you wish to keep and we thank your subconscious for providing this information as you wander back up the path now back up through time, back up to the present day, back in to the nineteen hundreds now passed the final door, two thousand and three and passed the chair. Make your way to the steps which will bring you back to normality, bringing you back to the here and now, one, two three, four, five, mind and body slowly returning to reality now, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, fully refreshed and fully back.

Matt -
Oh

Hypnotist -
I think that went very well, how do you feel?

Matt -
Knackered

Hypnotist -
Oh yeah, that’s good, the very last question I asked you I didn’t catch the answer.

Matt -
Swansea

Hypnotist -
It was Swansea, that came through fairly strong did it?

Matt -
Mmm, I don’t want to live in Swansea

Hypnotist -
Who does? Right time goes by so quickly.

Matt -
Bloody hell

Hypnotist -
huh huh

Matt -
It did actually, it felt like ten minutes

Hypnotist -
Yeah, it’s often the way I’m afraid. That’s why I do tend to sort of make an encouragement to make it a two hour session when you can because it goes by so quickly, we’ve hardly had a chance to discuss you feelings and findings, how do you feel about what you’ve found out.

Matt -
All right, it’s my um... I just could not think of place names

Hypnotist -
Yeah it is difficult

Matt -
Numbers are fine

Hypnotist -
Yeah, see numbers were difficult at first and they’re coming now, you know place names follow. you’re getting better and better. Names just, names of people umm, a couple of times there was a name beginning with Tre something, we assumed it was the village but it could well be this Esme’s surname now.

Matt -
It was Trelear or Tregowr or Tregear or something.

Hypnotist -
Something like that yeah

Matt -
Very strange

Hypnotist -
Or a Celtic name I suppose

Matt -
But I’m so conscious of my conscious part of my head trying to make sense of something

Hypnotist -
Yeah it does.

Matt -
I find that really difficult to stop it

Hypnotist -
It does yeah

Matt -
It was a real struggle

Hypnotist -
You’ve just got to accept that the video will record it all for you, you just be there

Matt -
That’s right

Hypnotist -
Instead of trying to question it, yeah, its, even if you’re aware of the date that you’ve come in to and I asked you your age now, you’re aware of your conscious mind saying, ooh I better work that out for you

Matt -
Yeah exactly

Hypnotist -
Instead of just going with your heart and saying whatever it is yeah

Matt -
'Cos you don’t want to contradict things

Hypnotist -
No that’s right yeah, yeah

Matt -
It’s stupid, what’s the point

Hypnotist -
Exactly yeah, who are you trying to kid.